Peter Rust Rusty Pete Show full post »
Bunkerbarge
....................or control the population.  As long as we remain adamant that people's rights outweigh the good of the planet we will never even take the first steps towards resolving these issues.

If you want to do some really scary research have a look at a graph of population over the years, both in the UK and globally.  Check out the population of the UK in Tudor Times and then 100 years ago.  Look at the shape of the curve and make some very rough estimates of where it is going.

That's what we need to address. 
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AHJAY
Its a never ending "what if", isn't it. I am always less than amused by the whole thing.

Its an essential truth but rather than sharpening the evidence, press always seem to soften its believability by ingorning anything inconvenient.

Like - Hang on - Water does not change in mass, but it increases in volume very significantly when frozen... and therefore shrinks by a significant amount as it melts. Never seen that properly discussed as a "cause and effect" issue anywhere in the debate.

Perhaps if they stopped trying to attribute by using flawed PR rather than real science and first just clarified the "cause and effect" thing so that the result was accepted and understood, going back to the roots to reduce the problem might just be more easily accepted.

It needs to be a totally simple process to get the average person to "rally around the flag".- describe the effect then agree how to maximise or minimise the results for the benefit of all. People always fight best and the self interested lobbyists and politicians are less relevant when the "common man" has a simple truth to believe in.

Never mind, the press are so consumed with exxageration and half-truths about Corona Virus at the moment that the planet has taken a back seat for now. I wonder, if all the paper wasted in the distribution of misinformation in the press was still in standing trees on the hills of the UK, would flooding be less?

Ahjay
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AHJAY
BB's point is really valid.

My thoughts not his when I think about population growth. Simple logic without malice. Please read it as such.

* Why do we prioritise the end of disease ahead of food stability, education and birth control in the 3rd world?.
* Actually the last great 3rd world diseases such as Malaria and related isues are the last natural population control...
* Why save everyone so they can starve... or just learn to use a knife or gun against their neighbours which is often seen in places that have little future?
* How to combine initiatives, preventing population growth in order to increase quality of life to create balance without seeming to have no heart?
* After all... we often cull animals for the good of the overall population without a second thought. How to stop that sort of thought leading to mindless violence in the future

Ahjay
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Peter Rust Rusty Pete
So following on from Ahjay's comments. 
Pragmatically, population control - a real poisoned chalice. 

Maybe stopping artificial insemination of any form should be stopped,  if conception was left to nature, then that would be a start. 
Is Coronavirus a man-made virus?
Porton Down, and all that.
Maybe it was deliberately created to randomly cull the global populace, but who would be prepared to take such a decision?
Ernst Stavro Blofield has had several goes, according to Ian Fleming. 
Interestingly, it currently kills less than 'flu on an infected percentage.
Hmmmmm,
We know that mass ethnic genocide is not the answer.
But what is?
There are several sci-fi movies that have covered this topic, none satisfactory. 
Conceptive control is probably best, but China has tried this in the past, but has now ceased.
For once, l dunno the answer.
Food production can be intensified,  at a cost increase, hydroponics work well. One of my employers created an underground hydroponic farm in Algeria. This allowed total humidity control, light manipulation causing accelerated growth of 50%, use of the land above for photo-voltaic fields.
It was economic so to do, even flying in Jumbojet freighters full of various crops, such as asparagus, once 2-yearly (Iirc) and very seasonal, now bio-engineered to an annual crop, all year around-the-clock,  being farmed in Peru, Chile.
 Hmmmmm,
Should we, though? 
More than one way to skin a cat ðŸ˜‰
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Ruffnut Thorston
RE: virus.

I cannot help but think of the beginning of the original TV Series, Survivors (The "remake" wasn't quite the same).

Infections spreading by Air transport...

That first episode gets you thinking...

So, while "controlling the spread", countries are shipping people with the "right" passports around the world!

And, it's not a Pandemic...

Don't want to panic the population...

Arrowe Park Hospital, is on the Wirral Peninsula...

A Peninsula can be "fenced off" relatively easily from the mainland...

Quarantine zone.

Don't have nightmares! 🤷🏼‍♀️

🙋🏼‍♀️




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivors_(1975_TV_series)
Best wishes,

Ruff...
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Andywp
Thank you Pete, I will not argue your figures, as maths was not my best subject at school. In fact, I cannot think what was my best subject, as they were all reasonably bad maybe.  However, if we want to stop the Oceans rising, my next theory, is that we all keep marine fish tanks. If enough of us took water out of the sea to fill our fish tanks, then surely that would remove the excess?

I will try and think of another solution to global warming tomorrow. For now, I have to establish why one of my tortoise point motors wont stop suddenly changing backwards and forwards on its own. 
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Julian
Andywp wrote:
Thank you Pete, I will not argue your figures, as maths was not my best subject at school. In fact, I cannot think what was my best subject, as they were all reasonably bad maybe.  However, if we want to stop the Oceans rising, my next theory, is that we all keep marine fish tanks. If enough of us took water out of the sea to fill our fish tanks, then surely that would remove the excess?

I will try and think of another solution to global warming tomorrow. For now, I have to establish why one of my tortoise point motors wont stop suddenly changing backwards and forwards on its own. 


I expect your tortoise, is finding difficulty swimming to the sides of the track, due to them being submerged in last year's 3mm rise in sea level.  Some of which is due to Glacier melt, but mainly due to the fact that I have put on a few lbs since previous immersion of myself in the Ogin. I fear to embark on a diet to reduce the problem, as the resulting lowering of sea levels would strand so many fishing vessels on the shores, that world fish supplies would be decimated.

J
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Andywp
Hmmm. Yes Julian. I do understand the problem.  My solution, would be if you only go swimming where the ocean's surface pressure is high, the sea level will be lower by 1cm per millibar of pressure, so you can easy calculate your displacement and only go swimming at the right time. 

Incidentally, has anyone noticed if the surface pressure is falling worldwide, as that would cause sea levels to rise, perhaps rather more than if Julian and I were to go swimming.
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Julian
Andywp wrote:
Hmmm. Yes Julian. I do understand the problem.  My solution, would be if you only go swimming where the ocean's surface pressure is high, the sea level will be lower by 1cm per millibar of pressure, so you can easy calculate your displacement and only go swimming at the right time. 

Incidentally, has anyone noticed if the surface pressure is falling worldwide, as that would cause sea levels to rise, perhaps rather more than if Julian and I were to go swimming.

Very true, I had the pleasure of being at school with a personable young chap, who eventually left to join the RN.  He was a clever and personable fellow, who rose to become the Nav Officer on a large aircraft carrier {which I won't identify, as I have no wish to offend said excellent gent}.  On an approach to Devonport, there are two ways round Drake's Island, in the Sound, the normal, long way round to the East, or, slick, cut through to the West.  The reason the East is normally used is simply depth of the channel, so to slip through the short-cut, some tidal calculations are needed, which of course he did...  and the decision was made to cut through - slick nav!  Over went the Helm and through the narrow gap they went.....  accompanied by a scrapping sound as they passed where the old oil pipeline had been removed, yep, they bounced it's bottom on the ridge, oops!  Sadly Courts Martial followed for him and the Capt, who is always deemed to be in charge.....  guilty both, apparently.  ðŸ˜•

What he had missed was the Northerly wind, which had pressed the surface waters out beyond the breakwater, which had lowered the available depth by about a foot, hence the scraping sounds.  It also reflects how close the RN are prepared to calculate, whether they can take a particular course, or not.  Respect.

Julian
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