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Bunkerbarge
I suspect I am not the only one who is finding this a little confusing.  So to try to help everyone understand, is the poster above ktoale the same person as the original poster Richard?

In which case, if so, I'm still a bit confused as to why ktoale would appear to be quoting a post from himself in which he refers to a post by Mr Rusty, which I cannot find!

Could ktoale possibly add a post that clarifies just what the situation is that he is asking the question about and whether it refers to the earlier posts in this thread, or not?  I'm sure it would make it easier for potential responders to then be able to assist as necessary. 
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Julian
Bunkerbarge wrote:
I suspect I am not the only one who is finding this a little confusing.  So to try to help everyone understand, is the poster above ktoale the same person as the original poster Richard?

In which case, if so, I'm still a bit confused as to why ktoale would appear to be quoting a post from himself in which he refers to a post by Mr Rusty, which I cannot find!

Could ktoale possibly add a post that clarifies just what the situation is that he is asking the question about and whether it refers to the earlier posts in this thread, or not?  I'm sure it would make it easier for potential responders to then be able to assist as necessary. 


Hi BB, there is a small curved arrow near the top right of the text in the post, if you click it, you will be taken to the original post.

Julian
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Bunkerbarge
OK got it thanks Julian.
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Filbert
 Question 1    short answer  Yes, power from track, watching polarity
Explanation
When l started to model [muddle?] in dcc, l, too could not see why a bus from one end of my layout to the other was necessary, after all, I had 2 nickel-silver girders from one end to the other [the track].
As I went on, l began to realise that those with larger layouts needed supplementary power support. I do not.
I still use this system, with a removable twin-core from one board[section]-end to the other, because certain effects neeed to break a rail to work. ABC-control using zen blacks being one.
It is removable to break the continuous circuit that precludes straight-forward diagnostic investigation of faults, l use a dpdt switch on each board to effect a break, and thus make it easy to use a circuit-tester, when necessary.
My points and accessories are standardised to be interchangeable, and are fed directly from the nearest source, namely the entry rails of a point.
I do not mix point motors [DCCc, all Cobalts], control panels etc [again DCCc], track [Peco code 75].
To answer your question from my own experience, which is unique and limited to several end-to-end layouts that are exhibited and thus must be reliable to demonstrate, l would suggest that my way would be to:-
1 Draw out your track plan and identify [following DCCc principles] which rail is blue and which is red with a pen.
2 connect the points to the nearest power source, generally the rail is an inch or so from the motor, remembering that positions can sometimes appear to change as you may be looking from another side of the board, or from underneath.

My way is to wire the points [etc] before fitting to the layout, fitting droppers to be fed through pre-drilled, jigged holes for the points, this done to match each location, as facing and trailing points, board bracing etc, can all affect motor position. Personally. I will not use surface-mounts as hiding them in non-repetitive ways gets tedious, but they may suit you.
So that's 1 and 2 sorted on a Cobalt, 3 [the infamous trouble-makeris run through a bulb-holder with 25watt bulb to the frog wire.
That's it, l do not have difficulty at all, immediate correct working.
But, hell! The confusing crap to get there has been a journey, and a half!
I do however insist on thanking all the crew at DCCconcepts at Settle for their help and support [let alone patience] during my on-going learning curve, also their efficient delivery and products, l always go to their products for a solution first.
They may not be the cheapest, but in the end, they are,  as you do not need to buy bolt-on fixes to solve issues.
A prime example is a local club that has burnt out numerous frog-juicers, trying to set up 3-way Peco points. They gave up, having tried Hammant & Morgan, Peco point motors, and others, but would not try DCCc because they were ''too expensive''. I got the points out of the skip as they had been literally ripped up, out of temper, and slung.
I have made a shunting puzzle, using them, one at a time to proof their efficacy.
No issues.
Hope that this helps someone.

I appreciate Ahjay's  observations  that correct practice is all, however sometimes l feel that a little variance can help others understand, especially a little explanation as to why it is the way it is. let's face it, Ahjay, you and l got busy on why a bus was needed, now l accept that it can be handy, if it can be killed for trouble-shooting, by being disconnected.
Throughout my life, l have never been able to accept why something just ''is'', l got lost in maths when l queried why 2+2=4, l could not accept that it just ''is'' and wanted to know ''why?''. that is hell when doing anything if people will not explain why. it is a mental condition, suffered by many, yet only just starting to be recognised.
l'll shut up now
I'll post a link on points if l can find it.
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