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Julian
Surprisingly enough, I know exactly what that picture shews!

This is the Honest John missile erector vehicle, as modelled by Dinky Toys...

The Dinky toy model has quite complex works...a friend had one xxxx years ago now. 😉

This isn't a missile launcher, it carries the missile, and raises it up vertically, and deposits it onto the missile launcher platform.(Another Dinky toy...)

Dinky also made a mobile Honest John missile launching truck.

When Meccano ltd was taken over by Lines Bros, the Dinky missile was used, with the platform of the Tri-ang Railways yard crane, and the Minic rocket projector (also used on the Tri-ang Railways rocket launching wagon) mounted on it. This is one of the lesser spotted Tri-ang Hornby Battlespace models.

I always wanted one of those, but never got enough cash to get one.

Have you ever heard one of those things GO OFF!!!?......    "SSSSSSSUUUUUGGAAARRRRRR***********!!!!!!!!!" -  Back in 1965 the Royal Artillery put on a demo for a couple of hundred army cadets, near Larkhill, Salisbury Plain.  They let off a Long Tom and an Honest John, amongst an array of many rather noisy artillery pieces and a full broadside from a RN Battleship, in the Channel, which landed just across the other side of the valley.  The missiles were within a matter 100Yds in front of us.  They said, cover your ears completely and open your mouths.  I expected a rapid build up of sound rather like a firework - but lots louder.  What I didn't expect was a massive explosion, which then continued at the same volume until it hit the target a few miles away.  To say I was well and truly shaken, would be a complete understatement - and looking around, the assembled company, I wasn't the only one.

J
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AHJAY
That is one motheringly expensive demo for a few cadets!

Ahjay
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Julian
AHJAY wrote:
That is one motheringly expensive demo for a few cadets!

Ahjay

I totally agree, it struck me as just that, but only some years after.  It's highly unlikely there would have been frequent firings, even back then and certainly not as a one off for cadets {although Long Tom, IIRC, was regarded as a battlefield weapon}.  I can only think that they put them on as part of training firings and someone had the idea of relocating one with the cadets, as part of a the bigger demo.  Demonstrations were/are considered as part of the routine military training exercises/flights/sea going training, that were done and the brats inclusion almost incidental and, nearby, Larkhill was the RA Depot.  The rest of the artillery pieces would have been part of regular training, mobile guns, wombat, wire guided anti-tank rockets, howitzers, twin bofors AA , anti tank guns, plotter demos etc.  They also had a radar swung weapon, but it certainly wasn't Rapier and I'm not even sure what the weapon was, that was being aimed, but it wasn't fired, as it tracked the passing aircraft {would have spoilt the pilot's whole day}.

J
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Peter Rust Rusty Pete
Radar-swung weapon?
Bloodhound?
Just launched by Oxford Diecasts and in the day by Airfix [only place to get a 1/72 long wheelbase Land Rover]
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Julian
Radar-swung weapon?
Bloodhound?
Just launched by Oxford Diecasts and in the day by Airfix [only place to get a 1/72 long wheelbase Land Rover]


I don't have any real recollection of the weapon, but do remember Bloodhound, on a Station which refurbished/serviced them.  They were very large {almost 28ft} and transported around on 8 wheel lorries, fitted with a frame to carry it.  It was also an RAF defence weapon, fitted on a static base, so rather unlikely for a RA demo, but I googled it to see what dates might bring as clues.  Whilst doing that another weapon was mentioned, as a mobile Army defence weapon, the "Thunderbird", {at 20ft} of which I confess to having no recollection whatever.  It is, however, shown as being carried on a 4 wheel trailer, albeit accompanied in the picture by a 4 ton Bedford truck rather than a Landrover.

It was apparently around at the time, I suppose it is possible that the Thunderbird was the weapon the RA showed.

Regards

J
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Peter Rust Rusty Pete
Thanks Julian,
An interesting time, triggered by Duncan Sandys' infamous white paper that decimated the RAF's capability to defend us.
Fortunately, politicians will always be beaten by the best of brains within out armed forces.
Through-deck cruiser? Gun-less Phantoms? Tornado? Every reduction has been circumvented. In a way, the cancellation of TSR2 led to better aircraft, in the Tornado and Jaguar. Multiplicity of Roles certainly helped.
Enough, or l'll lead the thread too far off-topic....
Pete
Erm, do l start a new thread ...... Corporal
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certainly Julian and myself are interested
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Bunkerbarge
There is actually a very small local museum near us called the Thorpe Camp Visitor Centre who have a Bloodhound, and an English Electric  Lightning as exhibits.  Very interesting stuff.

https://whichmuseum.co.uk/england/tattershall-thorpe/thorpe-camp-visitor-centre
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Peter Rust Rusty Pete
Went past it last year, coming back from Tank Museuum [[Bovingdon or Bovington, always get the names muxed ip.
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Julian
Thank you for the link, I don't remember seeing that one before.  The film of the Thunderbird, following the Corporal, was interesting. and shows how devastating one of the warheads was.  It consisted of long steel rods which were folded like a concertina, wrapped around the charge.  When it went off the rod expanded outwards slicing anything in it's path, the resulting bits of the target planes can be seen flying off after the explosion, in addition to the force of the explosion.

Interesting museum link there, too.  You are right about TSR2, much of the Concord tech was originated from it as well as the others.

Regards

J
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Jaz Avalley JazAvalley

this is the toy, but i cannot show the mechanism to see if it would be adaptable for you (thanks to Ruffnut giving me the name)

DINKY SUPERTOYS MODEL No.666 MISSILE ERECTOR & CORPORAL ... my brother is on holiday but when he returns i ll can ask him if he can bring it here i can then photograph and see if it would help it is mechanical rather than gas f course, your idea is sure to be more exciting

Jaz Avalley

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Ruffnut Thorston
Radar-swung weapon?
Bloodhound?
Just launched by Oxford Diecasts and in the day by Airfix [only place to get a 1/72 long wheelbase Land Rover]


Almost Pete...

In fact the Airfix Land Rover is the 88" SWB soft top...Series 2 I believe.

It seems that Airfix have classed these kits as OO, 1:72, and 1:76 scales over the years!
The RAF Recovery, Refuelling, and Emergency kits seem to have provided most of the commercial vehicles on model railways at one time!
Best wishes,

Ruff...
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