isherer
Hi everyone. As I have started to ask questions about the various problems I have been encountering since starting my first layout, I thought I would give you some info about my model railway background.
I received my first train set in the early 60s - TT-3 Triang, with a Jinty and a couple of coaches. A few years later persuaded my father to build a simple 6x4 baseboard and my brother started to build a TT track based on Wrenn flexitrack (or whatever it was called) but it didn't get very far as he went off working (much older than me) and I wasn't clued up enough to continue, so I lost interest. My interest was resurrected when I was in my later teens when I spent a bit of time travelling to relations by train and especially as a great uncle was a guard on GWR. He used to tell all sorts of tales during his time at work! I then investigated and found that the TT market in ready to run was almost non existent but found that there were quite a few models in this smaller gauge - N Gauge. At that time most were continental but I swapped the Jinty and "Windsor Castle" to a Minitrix Class 26 (with working lights!). I started to read up via various catalogues but education then got in the way when I went to University. That was the last of it (though I knew I would still start a layout one day) through my career until I retired and then had the time and money to actually do it.
I did dabble with DCC in the 90s when the NMRA were publishing standards (which kept changing!) and wrote working decoder software but never followed it through commercially and dropped it. I still used my Minitrix loco for testing my decoders (still working today)!
I haven't really got a clue about what's happening on real railways (and never had) but I am modelling UK modern(ish) era (I don't ever remember seeing a steam loco on British Railways as my first recollection was going to the seaside on green whiskered DMUs).
So far as gauge is concerned, I visited many exhibitions late 90s and early 2000's and have to say I didn't like OO gauge as it looked a bit narrow gauge to me. I always thought that the HO continental layouts looked much better, but that's my opinion. If RTR TT had been around today I would certainly be modelling that scale as it has a nice balance between available space and fiddleability (by that I mean that the parts aren't that small for aging eyes).
Hope I didn't bore anyone too much with this long post.
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Bunkerbarge
i think its good to know a little more about each other and their background.  Thanks for sharing it with us.
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Jaz Avalley JazAvalley

There are a lot of people that will argue that HO is ore accurate than 00, and I like both the US and European market, even though I model 00 myself, because there is the widest choice here in the UK. That said I do not really remember steam locos, (except on preservation lines or in museums) although who cannot admire the A4 Mallard. the thing is about this game is that there are loads of choices, and different choices suit different people. I like N gauge, but my other half struggles with the smaller electronics so we decided 00, O actually has some really realistic models, both loco and figures are just marvellous, and detailing is so much easier. You makes your choices, you pays your money and you enjoy. I for one will enjoy seeing your railway journey 🙂

FYI I often use HO items on my 00 layout, I just place them carefully, I also use other inappropriate guaues, and place them even more carefully 🙂 If you can fool them with a picture to think it's real, if you can make them laugh, if you still did Triang, etc. etc. there are people who agree with you. The nice thing about this hobby? There are just so many options 🙂 each one has its pros and cons (and many people will argue over those opinions 😃) , and each one is enjoyed with vigorous by modellers 🙂 

 

Jaz Avalley

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AHJAY
Welcome to the forum. It will be nice to see your progress when you are ready to share. Re TT, I was amazed at the quality and range of EU prototype TT when I visited one of the manufacturers (Tillig) - some lovely stuff and as you mention, it is a really good conpromise between size and usability that would work well for UK house sizes too.

Jaz Said
There are a lot of people that will argue that HO is ore accurate than 00

Actually its a simple fact, and not arguable at all really.

Fundamentally, HO is more accurate than OO simply because of the primary relationship between track and models being more accurate.
The "Blur" has been emphasised for convenience by the model brands as the real world loading gauge of HO "on rail" models is bigger than that of OO "on rail" models so they can even look sort of OK beside each other even though the scale difference is more than 12%

In relation to choices, it is also a simple one.
Why? becausein the OO vs HO issue, if you model UK prototype and do not fancy changing the fundamentals every time, you will have to model in OO because there is no option. (EM and P4 are not as hard as they pretend, but are definitely "Hands on modeller" choices)

Blurring the line is the norm because of the issue of "relative byt selective accuracy".
Buildings are seldom created without significant compression even if the elements such as doors etc are accurate because the real thing would usually dominate the modelling space... Those who create model people rarely seem to have a ruler that is accurate. As with Jaz's comment, careful use of the variants can, anyway, add rather than take from a scene.

It simply does not matter.
It is all a simple choice and many fine layouts have been created. Just stay consistent once a choice is made and model what you see, not what you think you see, and all will be well. The most important thing is to enjoy it.

regards, Ahjay
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Peter Rust Rusty Pete
EM Gauge Society have an exclusive tie with Peco for Pointwork, iirc.
If I had known this when l started with Buchshee's rebuild, I would have gone over.
Maybe on any new-build, I will.

TT gauge [UK] is a greater scale/ gauge compromise than 00, equating to 4'  against  4'2", UK s scale being 3mm [101.6:1], Rest of world [except ex-Eastern Bloc States 1:130] modelling TT as 1:120 [source: Wikipedia].
More than one way to skin a cat ðŸ˜‰
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AHJAY
I guess the point re TT is that old things can die. As there is NO UK prototype TT available now, there is no good reason why the scale/gauge combination should not be made to be correct if it was to be resurrected.... after all there is B all of value in the old long dead triang range.

Re RTR pointwork, I know the conversation is being had but - I am not holding my breath for that. EM society will have to bite the bullet tooling wise for a very small potential market. Certainly it'd be an emotional not commercial decision.

Its actually dead easy to make pointwork in EM Pete - actually easier than OO if you are talking slips etc... So availability of RTR for EM is not really a big deal other than emotionally. It will be FAR harder to convert steam locos and correct some rolling stock than to build track.

Ahjay
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isherer
Apart from Gauge Wars...I have just opened a packet of rail joiners with a price of 2/6 on it. Maybe I've had them a while...
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Peter Rust Rusty Pete
isherer wrote:
Apart from Gauge Wars...I have just opened a packet of rail joiners with a price of 2/6 on it. Maybe I've had them a while...


😂 Mine were 1/11d, 1962 price ðŸ˜‚ from A.J.Chamberlain's shop in Wolverhampton ðŸ˜‚
More than one way to skin a cat ðŸ˜‰
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