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Dr Ridges Food?

Some advertising dated 1886 / 1887

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Bunkerbarge
Robin, I think your only chance with that is to either make your own transfers by creating a coloured file and printing it, or create the coloured file and get a specialist to print off the transfer for you on transfer paper.

This chap could do it for you:

http://www.precisionlabels.com/contact.html?


Another idea might be to build up your own by first laying on a transfer of 2.2mm black then, when dried and varnished overlaying strips of the red, white and green of the appropriate widths.
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Bunkerbarge
Robin, Having now had a look at the Merton in a little more detail I tend to think that your only option is to make your own transfers.  The lining follows such intricate shapes around panel edges with further curves to embellish the shape I really cannot see how you could recreate that with any type of pen.  Transfers could be created as a single item for a panel and laid on whole to help maintain the rigidity and ease of application.  The boiler lining could be made up as multi-coloured strips and simply wrapped around.

In fact I bet you could use photographs of Merton as a starting point for your file that would then simply need some editing to create the shapes you need to fit the new loco.
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Robin Sundt Echini
Thank you for that Richard; yes, I have thought of printing transfers - I have some ink-jet compatible transfer paper - and I will try making strips in photoshop, each about the correct width in pixels. Although technically, 0.04mm wide is HALF a pixel at 300 dpi, so some comprimise is necessary!
It will be an interesting experiment.
I had also though to using a photograph, manipulated to the correct dimensions, to make the tank side transfers possibly in one piece. I could use "Merton" but also the Bluebell Line has "Stepney" in IEG livery on static display and I am investigating that. Not sure where it is housed, how easy it would be to get far enough away to take a decent side shot and how easy it would be to light evenly  - we shall see.
Pad-Ply-Pen, the date of the photo is between 1877 and 1886 as that was the period that "Hayling Island" carried the number 359. If there is advertising dated 1886 then that would pin down the year to 1886. Where did you see that date?
Regards
Robin
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Pad-Ply-Pen
I looked for D Ridge Food
Found 
Dr Ridges Food possibly American company 
seems to be a name change to Ridges Food 
The dates were on a Victorian Advertising site when I searched the name they seem to refer to Ridges Food 
The name change may be after 1886
I have not found the date of the name change the photo shows Dr Ridges so that change would help you narrow it down 
Another advert is unreadable
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Bunkerbarge
I think the lighting would prove to be a challenge.  Possibly single shots of each separate transfer would be a better approach.

Nice shot here though:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluedonkey/251673761/in/photolist-oeTQM-ajd3Wh-no6rbE-bWbBtp-dYdWED-Hy9V9e-DhQVqC-R5cGFC-24Ejk-26gaahB-THvkis-bPyMgz-LYvktZ-29f3ZPA-NRXLPV-L3VLyN-dHCsbY-29WQi69-aMmPzP-foX7cX-9V1VYU-4AHUga-KnejKu-D99WSm-BCSDu-8u14Ch-WFAqyg-nEA3LT-oNsdzb-21T46cN-oaKC15-9VjdQM-9XeYbr-9VjcwK-eUW8yo-9UY6Mk-9V1VGQ-qxSm1U-cqewFy-eToZQb-fgbrtZ-7JDY8E-5QyWJU-e65iC3-9jqFK1-bUhNgg-bYJgah-9Vn38q-9jqLVJ-9Vn2wY
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Julian
If you do decide to design your own lining, with a view to using inkjet transfers, you may like to consider the deterioration of ink-jet ink, due to sunlight.  I have experienced very poor lasting colours in a very short time, from normal inkjet printing.  If you use standard Inkjet products they will fade after a very few years.  However, you might consider taking / sending your file to one of the Print companies, like Rymans and get a lasting transfer print from them.

Julian
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Pad-Ply-Pen

Photo is attributed to National Railway Museum dated Circa 1880 in the book by Ralph Cousins page 60 photo 683
A HISTORY OF THE HAYLING ISLAND BRANCH LINE

Published MAY this year 

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Bunkerbarge
Pad-Ply-Pen wrote:

Photo is attributed to National Railway Museum dated Circa 1880 in the book by Ralph Cousins page 60 photo 683
A HISTORY OF THE HAYLING ISLAND BRANCH LINE

Published MAY this year 



Interesting the Flickr page says nothing about that!  The odd thing is now that despite only including a link in the post here this page still displays the picture so I'm not sure where that ends up regarding copyright.  I've always taken the approach that posting a link to something should avoid any concerns.

What I have noticed though is that you cannot download the picture from the page here although, as with all pictures on Flickr you can still do a 'Print Screen', although you only get a limited resolution then.

I'm sure if Ahjay is concerned we can simply remove it.
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AHJAY
Ahjay isn't concerned :-)
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Pad-Ply-Pen

Cross purposes re photo perhaps
The photo I was referring to was the Black and White Victorian photo and a given date and source for it in a book .

Question does the Quote button add the content of the previous post you are replying to I noticed some posts say
X wrote- how is this added?
Sorry for any confusion 

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Bunkerbarge
Pad-Ply-Pen wrote:

Cross purposes re photo perhaps
The photo I was referring to was the Black and White Victorian photo and a given date and source for it in a book .

Question does the Quote button add the content of the previous post you are replying to I noticed some posts say
X wrote- how is this added?
Sorry for any confusion 



PPP this was done by simply pressing the quote button and adding some text.  As far as I know it takes the entire content, pictures, links and everything else and simply adds the "XXXX wrote:" at the top and a solid bar in the margin to identify the quote, all done automatically with the quote button.

When you press the quote button you have to be sure that your own new text is added outside the "Quote" commands that you see in your text window otherwise you will find your comments included in the quote!
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Robin Sundt Echini
PPP, the book by Ralph Cousins seems to exist in a number of versions. I have one of 96 pages, which does not include the photo of the locomotive "Hayling Island", but I found a version on the Internet Archive "https://archive.org/details/AHistoryOfTheHaylingIslandBranchLine/mode/2up" which has 124 pages with the photo in question on page 44 - and you say you have seen it on page 60 of yet another version, very confusing! It does not seem to be in print anymore, although the 96 page version may still be available from "haylingbillyheritage.org".
The image also appears in "Locomotives of the LB&SCR Part 1" Fig 102 - but without atribution. It also appears on "LBSCR.org" atributed to the entry in LB&SCR Part 1. So all a bit circular!
I have written to the National Railway Museum to see if they do have the original and to ask if it is possible to get a high definition copy for private research purposes. If it is a glass plate negative, as seems likely, then the definition can be very clear.
Obviously, with Covid, they are under pressure, so I don't expect a quick response.
Research, practice, practice, practice and building still continue.
Regards
Robin
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Pad-Ply-Pen

A2E360DA-2248-4033-9C27-5839FFD7F503.jpegHi Robin
Looking again at the Advert for Dr Ridges food
in the bottom left hand corner there appears what may be a blurred graphic image and may be the one above by the white and dark shade it is the closest to the framed artwork attached 

No date for this artwork found 
Another add is headed Phenix it may be a cigarette brand 
The Hayling Billy Heritage  site has suggested this photo is around 1880 +/- they mentioned the herring bone brick work on the gable the carriage stock and even name Staff from the 1881 census 
73AF0708-4717-4D4F-BFBA-6ED1906220EB.jpeg 

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