Mac-
First of hi everyone.

Bit of history to my last layout, I have/had should I say 🙁 a 12' x 12' 00 layout for fourteen or so year's. It seen the transition from DC to DCC, and great move in my opinion.  Then late last year I retired on medical grounds, and once I got into a bit of shape and time the wife didn't know I had 😉, I spit the dummy out and dismantled the whole layout, thinking that a new start was the way too go.

Well in truth it was a blow I wasn't expecting, totally lost my mojo for our great hobby. Lesson never hide things from SWMBO 🙁. Now i'm starting too regain some mojo, and if things keep going as they are i'll be able to start the rebuild in mid September all being well. I have always had solenoid point motors, but that thud of the points with the CDU always sent a shiver up my spine. So I have a couple of questions too run past you fine folk.

How easy is the cobalt analog ip to connect up too Peco electro frog, and operated from a return to center toggle switch.

Am I right in saying that the live bus wire goes into the first off the dcc in and negative in the second. Then a wire from the S2-L connection on the cobalt to the switch, then a wire from S2-R connection on the cobalt to the same switch, then the frog wire goes into the S2-C connection.
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m.bryan
Hi Mac,
The Analog IP works quite happily from a 12v regulated power supply via DPDT (double throw double pole switch - 6 terminals on the underside).
The motor is controlled by reversing the DC supply to it.
Ideally an "on-on" switch - it does not require a centre off position as it is a stall type motor and is happy with power permanently applied to it.


Control power to the Analog Ip is via the DC IN terminals. Do not connect DCC bus power to the Aalog IP DC IN terminals - it is specified to work with regulated DC.
Do not use the likes of auxiliary outputs from the side/rear of train controllers - they are unregulated/unsmoothed.

The DCC track feed is connected to S2-R and S2-L, with the frog connected to S2-C. This will switch track power to the frog.

If you are intending to use DCC to control the points, then you require the Digital Ip version. The wiring will be different.
Note: the Digital IP can be controlled from a pushbutton input as well as digital control.
See our online manuals for full details

It is best practice to modify the pointwork to fully isolate the frog from the blades.
Peco Code 75 (and recent 100) is relatively easy to do - a few minutes per pont is all that's needed.
See here: https://www.dccconcepts.com/manual/making-peco-better/
Mick
DCCConcepts Tech/Customer support
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Bunkerbarge
Hi Mac and welcome to the forum.  I'm a bit like you, forced retirement on medical grounds and trying to get my head around the wonders of DCC control systems.  Most of my points are going to be operated by Cobalt SS surface mounted motors but I do have a couple of Cobalt IP digital motors where I have access.

My comments are therefore, as always, based on the fact that I know nothing apart from my own recent experiences, however sometimes a completely fresh pair of eyes can bring up some interesting points.

So my question is this, if you are starting from scratch why are you using analogue point motors?  Why would you not want to use Cobalt IP digital motors or Cobalt SS and connect them up to a new control system?  Why would you want to continue with toggle switches when you can operate the points from a central control console?  I started off with a Signa-Track controller with the original intention of incorporating a laptop for a control interface but eventually bit the bullet and went for an ESU Ecos controller instead.  Very neat and compact but everything can be controlled from a screen in front of you, points, accessories and locomotives.  You simply touch the screen to change a point, change screens to operate a locomotive, of up to ten, then back to the track plan to operate the points again.  I've never been a great fan of the hand held type units with a digital text readout, I like to see a diagram of the layout and operate things from that.

If you are starting again it might be a good time to step back and really think about how to make the most of what is available nowadays and get away from tying yourself down with using your original equipment.

Just a thought!
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Mac-
Thanks Mike, that's good to know about the on-on switch.

On the power to the analog ip I forgot to say that I was going to use a second bus wire for the accessories, a separate supply from the track bus wire.

As for controlling them digitally doesn't appeal to me, though my son likes model railways too, but has no interest in digital control either. What notion he will take in the future I don't know. Say I did go for the digital ip to keep options open, can you still use on-on switch's.
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Mac-
Thanks for the welcome BunkerBarge.

Your right it's hard to beat a fresh pair of eye's 😉, some times old habits tie us down.

I like controlling things my self manually. I actually love toggle switch's for the points, though the way my memory is going block detection might be the answer 😉.

Your also right in stepping back and thinking about it, our hobby can consume year's to get it to a place where you want it. The Digital ip version isn't of the cards if it left both doors open, on the off chance my son wanted to go that route in the future.
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Briperran
Mac  i think i can positivity say your son will be going down the DCC route in future far better way to go if you are building a layout from scratch there i lots of information and help available for anyone to help them develop a DCC control system

Brian
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m.bryan
Mac- wrote:
Thanks Mike, that's good to know about the on-on switch.

On the power to the analog ip I forgot to say that I was going to use a second bus wire for the accessories, a separate supply from the track bus wire.

As for controlling them digitally doesn't appeal to me, though my son likes model railways too, but has no interest in digital control either. What notion he will take in the future I don't know. Say I did go for the digital ip to keep options open, can you still use on-on switch's.


As long as the second bus is regulated DC (and completely separate from the DCC) , then there will be no issue controlling the Analog IP via DPDT switches
Mick
DCCConcepts Tech/Customer support
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Mac-
Briperran wrote:
Mac  i think i can positivity say your son will be going down the DCC route in future far better way to go if you are building a layout from scratch there i lots of information and help available for anyone to help them develop a DCC control system

Brian


Your right there Brain. Lots of options from DCC, it is the way to go in my opinion.
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Mac-
m.bryan wrote:


As long as the second bus is regulated DC (and completely separate from the DCC) , then there will be no issue controlling the Analog IP via DPDT switches


Thanks again Mike, I have fixed my first post too the way it should have been asked. 
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Briperran
Mac if you are considering it i endorse exactly what Bunkerbarge has said look at Ecos it is very expensive but you get what you pay for, excellent system very intuitive and easy to use i remember how much i used to hate my Lenz 100 system with all the button pushing and tiny screen i have had my Ecos since around 2012 and never have had a problem with it.

Brian
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Mac-
The Ecos looks like a mighty system Brain, glad you have had a long and happy experience with it. Thank god I had finished my tea before seeing the price ðŸ˜¯, nice looking system though.

As for me i'm happy with my Elite, though the heir to the 00 empire has his eye set on the digitraxx 🙁. 
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