RichardBrighton
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Greyhaven
Really impressed with the capabilities of the Zen Black+ decoder, but I think that I'm snookered on the "Black" ball so to speak, as a lot of my locomotive are equipped for sound.  Are there any thoughts from DCC Concepts for being able to make the Zen Black sound compatible, as I would love to use the decoder?  However running a layout where only some loco decoders were Zen Black+ would make locomotive control too complex, e.g. using the ABC system.
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Julian
I expect that you could detach the Sound decoder from the motor and control just the motor with the Zen Black, using the same addresses for both.

Julian
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AHJAY
Actually your sound decoders can also use ABC, although their ABC operation and adjustment will not be quite as sophisticated - and of course things like shuttle are loco-specific, so mixing Zen black and sound decoders really will not complicate things in any real way.

regards, Ahjay
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Andrew Fryer deepfat
I have an MSc in computer science but I don't understanding the abc elements of Zen black yet, but I am ionterested as  I am buying the decoders for my latest locos now. on that note why not do some virtuasl stuff on zoom e.g. drop in q&a 
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awh1
Is there an idiots guide for installing sound decoders alongside zen black? for example one of the splendid manuals to be found on the DCC Concepts platform.
I was also put off the Zen on account of the absence of sound. About half my locos have sound - oem - but I was thinking of upgrading older ones by introducing sound and was half way down the road of pointing myself to ESU LokSound.
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AHJAY
ESU works with ABC - its settings are in the ESU manual.

Ahjay
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awh1
Still no word on why Zen black with all its attributes does not have an integrated sound function. My research has not pointed to any way in which a Zen black can be installed alongside a sound decoder like ESU (forgetting cost for a moment)
Julian's reply is a pointer. Any way to expand on that to an idiot like me?
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Julian
awh1 wrote:
Still no word on why Zen black with all its attributes does not have an integrated sound function. My research has not pointed to any way in which a Zen black can be installed alongside a sound decoder like ESU (forgetting cost for a moment)
Julian's reply is a pointer. Any way to expand on that to an idiot like me?

I apologise, I didn't give much in the way of detail.

The Sound Decoder, you have, will be connected to a socket, from which 2 wires will go to the motor, one Orange and one Grey, those two wires should be disconnected at the motor and well insulated.  {Try to remember which colour connected to which motor terminal, it's not vital as you can alter CV 29 to make the motor turn the opposite way, if it is the wrong way round}  Don't disconnect anything else from the Sound decoder or the socket.  The Zen should then be connected, to take over the control of the motor, but nothing else.  The 4 wires on the Zen which need to be connected are coloured Black, Red, Orange and Grey, others tucked away, well insulated.

The Red and Black Zen wires are it's power feed from the tracks and should be joined onto the other Red and Black ones, already on the loco chassis, which go to the socket that the Sound Decoder is still connected to.  The choice of position of where you connect in the Red and Black to the two decoders will rather depend on how the manufacturer put the original wires.  So now you will have both Decoders connected to the Red and Black wires of the power feed from the track.

Having removed the, Sound, Orange and Grey wires from the motor earlier, it is now in need of power from the Zen, so the Grey and Orange wires from the Zen need to go to the motor, where you removed the Sound ones.  

Now, all that needs to be done is to place the loco on the Program Track and tell it what address you have chosen for it.  When you do that, both decoders will pick up the same address and any other settings you may want to set.

I hope that's been of some help.

Julian
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Bunkerbarge
Then, of course, you could buy a sound equipped decoder in the first place.
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Filbert
Which probably has ABC function to start with............................................
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